Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL)
Hi,
On Thu, 2025-11-13 at 14:39 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Am Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 09:53:59AM +0100 schrieb Ansgar 🙀:
> > > Several individuals shared with me that they either don't agree with the
> > > current procedures/philosophy indoctrinated, they feel intimidated to
> > > reach out and fear retaliation and in form of delayed or more strict NEW
> > > processing, and any combination of the above.
> >
> > And I guess you as the project leader agree that the current DFSG and
> > Archive Operation teams engage in intimidation and retaliation
> > techniques (such as delayed and/or more strict NEW processing)?
>
> I personally have no reason to believe that either of the current teams
> engages in such behavior.
When a company president writes in a company-wide email distribution
list (or even more public, say including customers, press, ...) that
"several individuals shared with me that members of dept. X are
abusive" (say in a thread why the company president thinks that dept. X
must be restructured), what do you think that leaves as a impression of
the dept. X?
If the company president later writes "I didn't even think these
allegations are true", does that make it better? Would you want to work
under that company president (in dept. X or elsewhere)?
Is it better if a project leader does that on a world-wide public
mailing list?
Should we expect in a mail about the technical committee a repeat of
allegations that the technical committee was bought by Canonical/Red
Hat/others, that the committee abused processes to push systemd, that
the committee willfully ignored processes to force usrmerge, ...? After
all such allegations continue to be made by project members (not even
random community members) just a few days ago (I guess bitter rearguard
battles were promised and people want to deliver...).
And there are far worse allegations out there. Should we expect these
to be repeated as well?
> > I'll add DAM and the community team as this seems problematic.
>
> Could you please elaborate on what exactly you consider problematic?
Given you did not bother stating the allegations are likely false, it
did leave me with the impression you think they are true. In that case
they surely seem serious enough?
Ansgar
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