[Sorry for breaking the thread; my previous message exceeded a size limit for
debian-devel so I'm having to re-send with some of the attachments removed
and put on a website instead.
This mail also includes an updated 'sorted-revdep-count' list; I
inadvertently had a stale local mirror in my sid apt config that was causing
these numbers to be inflated, the new attachment is better.]
Hi folks,
Once again, coming back around to the question of an archive-wide migration
for time_t[0].
We have a clear path forward on the toolchain side
(https://bugs.debian.org/1037136), and we have an updated ABI analysis done
against current Debian unstable as of 2023-12-18, superseding the previous
preliminary analysis we had done on Ubuntu mantic. This re-analysis took a
while to get done in large part because the earlier mailing list thread
revealed gaps in the identification of "dev" packages[1], so we spent some
time fixing this to ensure we had proper archive coverage.
Output files from the new analysis can be found here:
https://adrien.dcln.fr/misc/armhf-time_t/2023-12-18/
== Description of methodology ==
Before going into details of the plan I'm proposing for the migration, I
want to surface to the list the methodology used for the analysis, so that
people have an opportunity to identify any errors.
- Packages are identified as "dev" packages if, according to Contents-armhf
in the archive, they ship files with an extension of .h, .hpp, .hxx, or
.hh in any directory outside of /usr/share/doc.
- Packages are identified as "library" packages if, according to Contents,
they ship files with an extension of .so or match the pattern *.so.*.
- Source packages are candidates for ABI analysis as part of this transition
if at least one of their binary packages is a "dev" package, at least one
is a "library" package, and at least one ships a shlibs control file.
- This means packages that provide plugin APIs are excluded from the
transition (they couldn't be automated anyway), but might still have ABI
breakage that will require handling. (ex: apache2-dev; but it looks like
perl did get picked up correctly by way of libperl5.36)
- In multi-library packages, there is no reliable way to map from a set of
headers in a dev package to specific shared libraries in a runtime library
package that's not additionally computationally prohibitive; we therefore
conservatively assume that if any headers from a source package show
time_t ABI changes, all the runtime library packages from the source
package are affected by the transition. This seems sensible in general,
but er, in the pathological case we have Source: zlib that now ships both
zlib1g-dev and libminizip-dev, zlib1g-dev is confirmed to not be ABI
breaking, libminizip-dev has failed to analyze, and we don't want to force
a transition for zlib1g because of libminizip (!). Current plan is to
simply special case zlib1g, but there could be other problem packages we
haven't identified.
- Packages that could not be analyzed for whatever reason are still
assumed to have an ABI that's sensitive to time_t and have to be included
in the transition. Happily, due to improvements in this run of the number
of packages that could successfully be analyzed, the number of libraries
in this category has dropped from 1541 to 929, of which 69 have no
reverse-dependencies at all. The final list of these header packages that
could not be analyzed is attached, in case anyone still wants to identify
that a library on this list whose ABI is not affected by time_t and should
therefore be excluded from the transition. Note, however, that no effort
has been made to filter out dev packages from this list that come from
source packages containing OTHER dev packages that are known to have ABI
breakage; for a number of the packages listed, further analysis would not
change the outcome. (e.g. qt5-qmake failed to be analyzed, but
qtbase-opensource-src also ships qtbase5-private-dev which shows time_t
ABI sensitivity.)
== Results ==
The overall findings of this analysis are 1,745 "dev" packages which either
are confirmed to have ABI changes or could not be checked; mapping to 2,154
runtime libraries[2] from 1,195 source packages (list attached)
and 5,477 reverse-dependencies requiring no-change rebuilds[3].
This is within the previously calculated range of "5300 to 5600", but there
are a number of newly-identified packages that fail to compile and have a
large number of reverse-dependencies. I will continue to work to identify
false-positives here in the hopes of bringing this count down before pulling
the trigger on an actual transition.
My understanding is that this will also result in a perl ABI transition,
separately from the libperl ABI transition; since this dependency isn't
calculated via shlibs it was not automatically included in this analysis.
This seems to be at most about 600 additional packages to be included in the
transition.
In addition, Guillem pointed out that if there are libraries whose ABIs are
lfs-sensitive but not time_t-sensitive, and either they themselves depend on
libraries which are time_t-sensitive or they have reverse-dependencies that
do, so they will also need to be included in the transition. I have
identified a list of 53 packages in this category (list attached); these in
turn have 174 additional reverse-dependencies that would need rebuilt (list
attached).
== Migration plan ==
I have yet to receive any feedback from the Release Team on this bug
regarding finding a slot for this transition.
https://release.debian.org/transitions/ shows some ongoing transitions of
libraries that need to be included in the time64 transition (gmsh,
gnuradio...) and I have no opinion about whether these need to be resolved
first before proceeding with the mass rebuild.
My strawman proposal is to give this thread 2 weeks from today for feedback
and further refinement, and also to further reduce the number of
false-positives included in the transition. Then, starting on Jan 18:
- dpkg will be uploaded to experimental with 64-bit time_t in the default
flags
- the source packages which need an ABI change
("source-packages"+"lfs-and-depends-time_t" will have sourceful NMUs to
experimental with the new binary package names in order to clear binary
NEW, in coordination
- once these packages have all cleared binary NEW, the new dpkg defaults
will be uploaded to unstable
- the sourceful NMUs of the libraries will be reuploaded to unstable
(without binaries, so that they can be promoted to testing without
additional uploads).
- perl will also get a sourceful upload, to manually handle 'perlapi'
Provides.
- binNMUs will be scheduled for all of the reverse-dependencies.
Please let me know of any problems with this plan.
Thanks,
--
Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer https://www.debian.org/
slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org
[0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2023/07/msg00232.html
[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2023/07/msg00302.html
[2] https://people.canonical.com/~vorlon/armhf-time_t/runtime-libs
[3] https://people.canonical.com/~vorlon/armhf-time_t/reverse-depends-sources
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