Re: "the" cloud [Integration with systemd]
Hi Thomas,
Thomas Goirand - 01.11.19, 01:26:58 CET:
> On 10/31/19 5:13 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > It is similar with "the" cloud.
>
> Why is there quotes around "the", and why do you think there's only a
> single instance of a cloud out there?
Well exactly for the reason that there is no single cloud, yet people
keep talking about it as if there were. However, there are only a few
really large public cloud providers and most of them are US companies.
> > Yet, there are attempts to disrupt the cloud already by making
> > machines powerful enough that they do not need a centralized cloud
> > provider even if storing a huge lot of data.
>
> We must be living in very different worlds... in mine, there's no such
> thing as "a centralized cloud provider", and it's cheaper to deploy
> your own cloud on top of Debian. It's also still impossible to store
In my private world there is not, either. However, I see it at work. An
increasing pressure to use and learn to use public cloud providers like
Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Alibaba. I found and made myself a niche that
allows me to evade this trend mostly.
> dozens of petabytes in a single compute (if you have such hardware
> available, please give me a link to the vendor), and I'm not yet
> scratching topics such as automation, high availability and
> scalability.
Such hardware is still in development and I do not know how long it may
take or whether they will succeed, but I was referring to HP's "The
Machine". The team behind this specifically intends to reverse the
pressure to store a huge lot of data with public cloud providers.
> Besides this, I completely miss the point that you're trying to make,
> and how this is related to init systems... :)
It was more of a side note: Regarding adoption of public cloud as well
as features of Systemd I see a kind of a pressure to do so. Cause if you
didn't others would outrun you. That was the similarity I intended to
point out.
I see that some see this as a good trend… but for me a cloud is… if not
hosted by myself just the computer of somebody else who may or may not
have my interest in mind. I am still trusting some others with hosting
stuff for me, as many will do. For example my employer, regarding the
mail server that will send this. Or disroot.org for example for
Nextcloud storage. And another similar supplier for backup mail account.
I donated to both of them.
Also I see that for Systemd some see it as a good trend. I do not. And
in the end it is not about good or bad, or right or wrong, but just
about different ways to see things. None of them are necessarily right or
wrong, they are just different. And I like to have a choice in the future
as well and I am ready to stand up for that choice.
Thanks,
--
Martin
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