On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 02:32:10PM +0000, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 09:57:38AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > I'd say it is a consensus of those who prioritize participating in this > > discussion enough to do so, consented to by the rest of the project. > I'm sorry, but I disagree. Silence is not always consent. I understand this is why we have multiple rounds of discussion with summaries inbetween. I personally do not see the length of discussions as much of an issue for consent here. My main worry would be the level of potential heat that I need to accept I have to deal with, if I choose to participate in a discussion. I notice that it takes me a significant amount of self esteem to send mail to a debian list, and not everyday I have it. The thing is, if people generally approve of what I write, the feedback I usually seem to get is mostly silence. If someone, even just one person over many, has an issue with it, then I get criticism. If I say something that 1000 people like and one person hates, the net visible effect in my inbox is probably one angry reply. I think this could still work if the criticism were polite and constructive. Some people in Debian disagree in a way that is pure pleasure to read, as they bring new scope and possibilities to a discussion. We however have frequent examples of feedback that can be very harsh[1], or passive aggressive and not really constructive, and I need to accept that if I post to a Debian list, I expose myself to that. So, as long as long threads are summarised and the summary has a round of review, I don't see a problem with mail or thread length in consensus building. I rather see a challenge in building a discussion culture where people actually feel good in participating, both in reading, and in writing when they have something to ask or say. Enrico [1] recent examples off the top of my head: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2019/09/msg00365.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2019/09/msg00366.html -- GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org>
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