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Re: Alioth: the future of mailing lists

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 09:22:34AM +0000, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 01:57:31AM +0100, peter green wrote:
> > Just because a team isn't big or established doesn't mean they don't need a place to discuss issues relating to their activities, some of which do not relate to any one particular package. Contributers should be able to self-organise within the project and for many dds email is their primary means of communication. Sure you can just cc everyone involved but then there is no archive and no way for new contributers to jump in.
> agreed.
> > I find the current proposal to drop alioth mailing lists without a real replacement to be a major step backwards.
> fully agreed.
> However, I also fully understand and support the decision of those who want to
> maintain git.debian.org (or whatever the DNS name will be) in future, that
> they don't want to migrate+run lists.alioth.debian.org as well.
> So given all that, I would also applaud other people who want to keep
> lists.alioth.d.o running. (As one third of all binary packages in main 
> currently use such an address in the maintainers or uploaders field… (*))

I am willing to step up to help keep lists.alioth.debian.org running
as a standalone service using mailman. It seems like it is yet to be
resolved whether this is a long-term strategic option, but this
thread demonstrates the many practical reason that we should aim to
maintain it beyond February 2018. Maintaining the current service
separated out from Alioth would, it appears, reduce the impact on the
project of the alioth switch-off considerably. The main requirements/
issues seem to be:

- retaining archives (ideally with consistent URLs)
- retaining the email addresses in many maintainer fields
- short-term uncertainty about replacements for certain use cases

I have managed mailman installations for some time so I'm fairly familiar
with how it works, and have some time from November onwards to work on
this which I hope would be enough time to develop and implement a migration
plan. I'm CCing the alioth and DSA teams so they are aware of this.


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