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Re: Permanent transition tracker for Perl6 ?

Dominique Dumont <dod@debian.org> writes:

> Hello


> On Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:37:44 CEST Ian Jackson wrote:
>> ~/.perl6 is a particularly annoying place to put this.  It defeats
>> the usual efforts to move this kind of thing to non-backed up storage,
>> or whatever.
> Good point.

I agree too and it add some maintenance burden to the user.

>> > Unfortunately, these pre-compiled files are obsolete when a new Perl6
>> > (rakudo) compiler is released.
>> And does it automatically delete them, ever ?  If not then surely that
>> is a bug.
> I tend to agree. As far as I understand, this feature also takes care of Perl6 
> developers: pre-compiled files can co-exist for several versions of Perl6. This 
> may be good for development, but is a pain to manage in Debian

Not necessarily a pain. I read a little the source code of the rakudo
precompilation stuffs since documentation lacks for now and as far as I

- precompiled files are stored under precomp/<COMPILER ID>/

- we can ask the PrecompilationStore::File to rip precompiled files of a

- we can ask the PrecompilationStore::File to rip all precompiled files
  for a specific compiler ID[2]

>> > is letting daemon write its own pre-compiled file a security risk ?
>> Possibly, but the cache area should be by uid not by USER.
> uh, I fail to see the distinction... AFAIK, there's a 1-to-1 relation between 
> user and uid. What did I miss ?
>> > - pre-compile all module are installation time (like python or emacs). The
>> > main issues are: all modules must be re-compiled in the correct order when
>> > rakudo is upgraded and how to clean up obsolete pre-compiled files. This
>> > requires complex post-install scripts

For the same reasons I explained above, I don't think it must be
complex, I'm asking questions to #perl6 and I'll make a proposal soon.

>> Does Perl6 function correctly if these compiled files do not exist,
>> and cannot be written ? 
> I think so. May be Daniel can confirm.

I need to make some tests, and for a user without a home directory too.

>> If so you can do the compilation
>> opportunistically.  Python seems to take this approach.
> You mean at run time when a python script is run ? 
> If so, how can a script invoked by a user can write a .pyc file owned
> by root ?

In python the pyc is not written if it can't be.

With rakudo, the precompiled file will be stored under
~/.perl6/precomp/<COMPILER ID>.

>> > The latter is probably the best solution from my point of view.
>> > 
>> > But a permanent tracker has an impact in the buildd: is this solution
>> > acceptable ?
>> It seems rather poor.
> ok. I'll find another solution.
>> Can you patch Perl6 to put the precompiled files alongside the
>> original source files, the way Python does it ?
> I don't think so. A pre-compiled file name is a hash sum made of the file 
> content, the rakudo version and maybe some other data that I forgot. Relating 
> a perl6 source to the precompiled file is not easy.

The idea of having precompiled files stored under another directory tree
does not bother me:

- user never need to open them or look for them

- storing them under /usr/share/perl6/precomp/<COMPILER ID>/ ease the
  process to remove everything on upgrade

But I think we can provide a new PrecompilationStore:: module to put things like
we want, that's the all purpose of the whole infrastructure.

>> Then you can reuse
>> the techniques used by the Python people, maybe.
> I'm thinking about pre-compiling at installation time, keep track of the 
> written files and remove them at de-installation time. The trick is to take 
> care of upgrade, both module upgrade and rakudo upgrade...

Again, I think the PrecompilationStore::File has the infrastructure to
handle this is a not so complex way.

I'm waiting for answers, make some tests and provide a proposal.


[1]  https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/src/core/CompUnit/PrecompilationStore/File.pm#L238

[2]  https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/src/core/CompUnit/PrecompilationStore/File.pm#L246

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