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Re: nodejs 6.9 in unstable, manual transition, schedule

Hi Phil,

Thanks for looking into this!

Quoting Philip Hands (2017-01-06 12:53:10)
> Jérémy Lal <kapouer@melix.org> writes:
> > 2017-01-04 10:04 GMT+01:00 Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org>:
> >> On Wed, Jan 04, 2017 at 09:54:34AM +0100, Jérémy Lal wrote:
> >>> i really think it would be best to have nodejs 6.9 in next debian release.
> >>> That version is currently in experimental and i was about to upload it
> >>> to unstable, but i tried to do things right and prepared the addons
> >>> that need to be rebuilt and binNMUed, then opened a transition bug
> >>> #849505.
> >>> No answer yet, people are busy, and the number of concerned packages
> >>> is low (a dozen or so), should i just rebuild and upload them myself ?
> >> The transition freeze was on Nov 5.
> >
> > This is not very smart - i'm talking about something that will make future
> > maintenance and security patches easier, something that is easy to do
> > and that i can even do alone.
> Your "This is not very smart" comment made me react fairly negatively at
> first reading.  It's easy to assume bad things about the old version's
> stability reading that, although that's presumably not what you were
> saying.
> Having looked into it a little, I found this:
>   https://github.com/nodejs/LTS
> which shows that the current packaged v4 packages will drop out of LTS
> in April, and out of maintenance a year later according to this:
>   https://hackernoon.com/node-js-v6-transitions-to-lts-be7f18c17159
> Version 6, which Jérémy is suggesting should be our stable release
> version, has been in LTS mode since October, and will be in LTS mode
> until Apr 2018, then maintenance (presumably until Apr 2019).
> I suspect that in a couple of years time, that Node.js programmers will
> not be that much more impressed with v6 than they will be with v4, since
> both will be astonishingly ancient, but at least v6 buys us an extra
> year of usefulness.

Until this point I thought you would summarize with a suggestion that we 
get v6 included in next stable Debian release (i.e. a plea to the 
release team to make an exception from their general rules).

> I suspect that it might be better for all concerned if we simply
> encouraged people to use this via backports from the start, to avoid the
> problem of fast-moving projects getting preserved in amber by Debian.

Do I understand you correctly that you recommend that we all tell our 
users - e.g. in release notes - something like this: "We acknowledge 
that the Nodejs included in this release is outdated, and recommend that 
you avoid it: Please instead subscribe to our snapshot repository and 
use the newer (but lesser supported) version from there."?

 - Jonas

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