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Re: Bug#835533: dasher: Please package Dasher 5.0 beta

On Thu, Oct 06, 2016 at 02:46:44AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> As frustrating as occasional removal/reintroduction cycles are, they are rare enough that despite the frustration when they occur it's really not worth the effort it would take to avoid them completely.

This assumes that all users are developers who are following unstable.

The vast majority of Debian users won't use stretch until after it 
became stable.

And even if a user does use unstable or testing, there is no clear way 
for a non-developer do get a removed package back into unstable.

It is a problem for users when Debian is a revolving door
for packages that get ITP'ed into one stable and then disappear
without a good reason for removal in a later stable.

Example maintainer opinion: [1,2]
  If we orphan 2.x someone might fix the RC bug and get it back into
  At this point I think releasing stretch with 2.x would be worse than
  releasing stretch without freeradius.

When a user who uses FreeRADIUS 2.2.5 in jessie upgrades to stretch 
after it became stable, is it worse for the user he gets FreeRADIUS 2.2.9
in stretch with 3 years (or 5 years with LTS) of security support,[3]
or if he gets no FreeRADIUS in stretch?

FreeRADIUS is high-profile enough that many Debian developers do care 
and new maintainers were quickly found. Many other packages are not.

> Scott K


[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=806617#42
[2] this is *not* meant against this soecific maintainer,
    but it is impossible to quote a maintainer opinion from
    a public BTS without revealing who it is
[3] the security team stating that it cannot support something
    would be a good reason for not shipping in stretch, but that
    seems unlikely for FreeRADIUS 2.2 and would be orthogonal
    to my point regarding users


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