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Re: Bug#835533: dasher: Please package Dasher 5.0 beta

On October 6, 2016 2:04:36 AM EDT, Samuel Thibault <sthibault@debian.org> wrote:
>Paul Wise, on Thu 06 Oct 2016 11:40:12 +0800, wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:53 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> > So if some of these packages is falling down, the
>> > team *has* to be notified so we can find a solution. Maybe we
>> > put in the ftp-master process that an RM request for any kind of
>> > accessibility-related package shouldn't be processed without an ACK
>> > the debian-accessibility team?
>> These kind of issues aren't specific to removal of accessibility
>> packages;
>The kind of issue isn't specific indeed. But the consequence is
>specific: the result is that some people can not use Debian any more at
>all. That's very different from just missing a program you really want
>to have.
>Scott Kitterman, on Thu 06 Oct 2016 00:08:19 -0400, wrote:
>> It's extremely rare that a removal is problematic.  It does happen
>and in 
>> cases where it does, the FTP team is generally happy to expedite a
>> back through New.
>> Speaking only for myself, I think the level of work implied in your
>> translates into removals don't happen.  If you think this work should
>be done, 
>> I encourage you to comment on the removal bugs requesting that the
>removal be 
>> held in abeyance while you do it (also adding a moreinfo tag is
>I'm not sure to understand what you meant exactly here.
>debian-accessibility wasn't aware of the RM request before it was
>processed. Realizing that and having to go through NEW again is not
>technically hard, sure, but it takes a lot of energy to go pass the
>frustration that it happened at all.

Agreed it's frustrating, but I don't think it's the FTP Team's job to second guess a maintainer request for removal of a buggy package.  I doubt most people appreciate the volume of rm bugs.  FTP Team spending significant time figuring out if maybe someone else might care just doesn't scale.

As frustrating as occasional removal/reintroduction cycles are, they are rare enough that despite the frustration when they occur it's really not worth the effort it would take to avoid them completely.

Scott K

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