Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:20 PM, claude juif <claude.juif@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 2015-02-17 17:55 GMT+01:00 Andrew Shadura <andrew@shadura.me>:
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>> Hi Luke,
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>> On 17 February 2015 at 17:28, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
>> <lkcl@lkcl.net> wrote:
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>> In short, this is TL;DR. We've all got better things to waste our time
>> on. Please go away. Nobody's interested in this any longer regardless
>> of their position on systemd.
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>> Thanks.
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> Hi,
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> Really rude answer. Really bad.
thanks for pointing that out, claude - it helps that it was someone
else who pointed out that being uncivil by asking a *person* to go
away doesn't make the *problem* go away.
andrew: i will go away only when i am satisified that the problem
which i believe it is my duty and responsibility to help highlight and
fix has, in fact gone away.
if you feel that this is sufficiently beyond your psyche's limits,
there are a number of ways in which you may deal with that, but
*demanding* of people that they violate their principles, as well as
inconveniencing many other people and increasing _their_ stress levels
by voicing such demands... can you see how that that really will not
work out very well, for everyone involved, including yourself?
short answer: no, i will not accede to your unreasonable demand. i
have the right to speak up, and, just to make it clear: like that
famous person said, which i find myself quoting within a couple of
hours for completely different reasons, "i do not agree with you, but
i will defend your right to say so".
so thank you for making it clear that you find this difficult to cope
with, but please do take a relaxing holiday or something, ok? :)
anyway, in other news, i'm delighted to have been made aware (very
recently) of the work by adam borowski, which i have to say is
completely unknown and underappreciated at this point. links are
here:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=119836
it would appear that one person has managed to achieve what the
devuan team are endeavouring to duplicate, and what my report has only
begun to scratch the surface on. i find this to be incredibly funny.
*but*... we are *not done yet*. the work by adam is amazing and
everything that i was hoping would be done as an interim measure, so
adam THANK YOU, you have made it possible for the average end-user and
sysadmin to continue to manage their machines in a convenient way
*and* still make the choice to not have libsystemd0 present, and
that's just... words fail me to express my gratitude.
*but*... the next phase is to tackle upstream and to pursue the
design concept advocated by russ: dynamic loading. there really
should be no need to use what adam's done (or what devuan want). it
*really should* be possible to install (or remove) a few packages that
are *part of debian*, and have libsystemd0 enabled or disabled *at
will*. even with editing an /etc/ config file.
that this is not even possible *is* why i will not stop - andrew -
until it is. have i made myself clear?
l.
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