On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 06:03:12 +1000 Ben Finney <ben+debian@benfinney.id.au> wrote: > Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org> writes: > > > So, yes, it's nonfree. Yes, it's controlled by DDs. No, I don't > > think this should be the Vcs-Git: target. No, I don't think we > > should endorse GitHub. Yes, we need free tools. Yes, we should > > contribute to the F/OSS community where upstreams are. > > That last part seems to deny the D in DVCS. Why are we under such > pressure to use one particular centralised service? I don't see the problem when it is used as just one remote amongst many. People like the github interface. That is unarguable. It does not matter one jot that some people don't like github for this reason or that. There are people (quite large numbers of people) who expect to find stuff on github and who prefer the UI. Having github as one of my remotes is extremely helpful. As Paul mentioned, I also prefer to *not* have my github remotes "locked-away" under a personal moniker as that makes it harder to add new admins etc. and it is project admins on github which make the whole point of github actually work. > Upstream is using a decentralised VCS, it seems a little condescending > to assume they are incapable of using it. That makes no sense at all. Upstream have their own git source but that is optimised to their needs (particular code review, access lists which need *everyone* to have yet another web account etc.) Nobody wants to have a hundred web accounts for every possible distributed VCS server. So having a few which act as mirrors for the plethora of local ones brings advantages that people are actually able to interact using a common UI. I have very little on github which is not simply a mirror of the primary git source used by upstream - but that is precisely the point. I'm using github (and now github.com/debian) precisely because the code is in a DVCS because github allows me to offer the one UI that most contributors seem to prefer at no cost to me, except maybe an extra "git push" command. Alioth cannot be another github, random other upstreams cannot be another github. Sourceforge .... well, just no really. Github is exactly that - a hub. Use it to push the code out from within the access constraints of a typical upstream project. It's easy for others to work with your code that way. -- Neil Williams ============= http://www.linux.codehelp.co.uk/
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