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Re: upgrades must not change the installed init system [was: Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing]



On 09/09/14 13:10, Ondřej Surý wrote:
>> > I believe most our users prefer to stay with sysvinit when upgrading from wheezy
> And I believe that most our users don't care. But I as a maintainer
> and operator of several daemons I really do care to have as most
> unified environment for debugging the problems.

Most of our users don't care as long as their machines continue to work
as expected after an upgrade.

So, when upgrading from Wheezy to Jessie, we have three options:

1) Keep the user init system (sysvinit most probably)
2) Upgrade to systemd after asking the user.
3) Upgrade to systemd silently without asking the user.

I believe that the actual option (number 3) is going to cause much
breakage than the other alternatives.

Also, as I already expressed on bug #747535 this is not something I
would expect from Debian.

I expect Debian to be rock solid stable and to have painless upgrades
from one version to the next. The conservative (and safe) option is 1.

I understand that we want users to switch to systemd, so proper testing
is done and bugs are reported. So option 2 is a good compromise. By
asking users, each one can decide if he wants to risk to try systemd or not.

For example: I will try systemd on my laptop, but not on a remote server
that only is accessible via ssh.

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