On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 08:19:14PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 25.07.2014 19:23, schrieb Steve Langasek: > > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 06:56:06PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > >> ]] Martin Steigerwald > >>> Sure I can go through setting up chroot for that, yet I really think if my > >>> work requires changes in other packages and the recent systemd changes do > >>> require this kind of work, I *help* with these changes, instead of uploading > >>> my changes to unstable *before* the other packages have been fixed. > >> How long are do you think is reasonable to wait then? > > For the specific case of a change that makes basic desktop functions > > unusable between upgrade and reboot (including the "reboot" button itself), > Well, systemd-shim doesn't solve that problem either. > The policykit package in wheezy uses ConsoleKit as backend. > So if you're logged into your wheezy desktop, you only have a CK session > registered. Installing systemd-shim doesn't magically register an active > logind session. Correct. But it's well-established that, when you upgrade your system, things may be broken in a currently logged-in desktop session until you log out and log back in. The difference here is that, without systemd-shim, logging out and logging back in still does not give the user a working session, you would have to completely reboot instead. I think this is an important difference in the quality of the upgrade experience. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org
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