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Re: sysvinit is still here, and here to stay for jessie (was Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now)

On Friday, July 04, 2014 17:28:05 Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Hi,
> Adam Borowski:
> > There was enough trouble when udev needed an in-lockstep upgrade with the
> > kernel a few releases back.  If systemd components are going to need such
> > forced reboots on a repeated basis, I don't like where this is going.
> systemd and its components can re-exec themselves, that's not the problem.
> The problem is that along with systemd we're changing a lot of the
> supporting infrastructure ("we" here is Upstream, for the most part).

Upstream of what?

> Keeping old low-level interfaces around just to avoid logging out or
> rebooting may or may not be something we can do easily. While I'll
> certainly be happy to be able to dist-upgrade without a subsequent reboot,
> if it turns out that this is not going to be easy to achieve then so be it.
> For Zurg (Jessie+1), we're likely to switch to Wayland. How do you plan to
> do *that* without forcing at least a re-login?

Just because it can't be avoided completely, doesn't mean it shouldn't be 

Scott K

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