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Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now (was: Re: Pinning vs. conflicting)

Didier, Hello.

> The proper solution is to stop trying to hide ourselves from to the fact 
> that some sort of systemd interfaces have been made unavoidable in 
> modern desktop environments (fact which is rightfully reflected in our 
> dependencies tree). 

> Can we get over this now and start making Jessie the most awesome stable 
> release we've ever prepared together?

For some of us there will never be an awesome Debian release that at it's core contains systemd. It's core developers, Lennart Poettering and Kay Sievers, work for a company that has multi-billion dollar contracts with NSA. It is your choice to assume good faith on their part. It is our choice not to.

Please respect our decision to stay away from systemd and still be Debian users. If possible, please, don't resist changes that make our lives easier. 

For shame deny that thou bear'st love to any,
Who for thy self art so unprovident.
Grant, if thou wilt, thou art beloved of many,
But that thou none lov'st is most evident:
For thou art so possessed with murderous hate,
That 'gainst thy self thou stick'st not to conspire,
Seeking that beauteous roof to ruinate
Which to repair should be thy chief desire.
O! change thy thought, that I may change my mind:
Shall hate be fairer lodged than gentle love?
Be, as thy presence is, gracious and kind,
Or to thyself at least kind-hearted prove:
    Make thee another self for love of me,
    That beauty still may live in thine or thee.

W. Shakespeare

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