Am Freitag, 9. Mai 2014, 20:30:22 schrieb Michael Biebl: > Am 09.05.2014 19:56, schrieb Steve Langasek: > > I don't think systemd integration is in a state today that this is ready > > to > > become the default. > > What are you missing? Suitable explaination and reaction to bug reports like: polkit-kde-1: requires root password for hibernate, wrongly reports other users are logged on http://bugs.debian.org/727645 This last time I tested still breaks hibernation for any users of a full KDE installation including dirmngr. *Months* after it was reported. I saw a work-around / partly fix posted which I missed before, by changing output=$(su -c ". /lib/lsb/init-functions && umask 027 && start_daemon -p $PIDFILE $DAEMON --daemon --sh" dirmngr) || return 1 in /etc/init.d/dirmngr to start-stop-daemon. I will try this and report back to the bug report. Still on reporting this bug as well  like this I got the impression of being told: "Go away, the bug is elsewhere, I don´t care." Basically you just told me that policy-kit just does what it is setup to do. Yet with installing systemd it hibernation in full KDE setups breaks and with a user hat on – I contributed a few Debian packages – I just don´t care where this is to be fixed. I was baffled at being told that this behaviour is supposed to be there by design and got the impression that I was expected to put up with it. While such a bug is still unfixed in packages I think its not suitable to make systemd a default as I expressed here. Unless you want users of unstable and testing to be annoyed with systemd. I accept that the fix may lay elsewhere, but I found your responses to not be helpful at all. Maybe that is my biggest concern with the systemd stuff. The defensive reaction to feedback and bug reports I perceived with upstream and debian developers which I partly understand given the bashing the systemd side received. I may have used an unsuitable tone at times as well, and I am sorry for that, but being told "Go away" just doesn´t match the responsibility for dealing with issues with something that is a default for all users who don´t change it. systemd as a default needs a different reaction to bug reports than this.  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727645#45  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727645#20  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=717731#10  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727645#50 Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7
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