Re: systemd and Linux are *fundamentally incompatible* -> and I can prove it

Russ Allbery contributed earlier:

> The reason why you're not seeing a lot
> of constructive engagement with those points here is that most of us are
> exhausted with this conversation and tired of repeating ourselves.

Yes, if it is really like that, I understand. But I'm also glad that this conversation reached me.

> At this point, for better or worse, we're in the "we're going to do this
> and see how it goes" phase of the discussion.

And I hope it works well in the end, because I like the simplicity of systemd.. People like me usually do not have enough time to explore the bowels of the operating system so I literally depend on the debian developers to find the best way. It's not exactly a comfortable feeling (no offense meant) but I guess it just works like that. None of us can know it all :-).

Thanks everybody for your comments, I'll be watching on.

Jan

On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> wrote:

Jan Gloser <jan.renra.gloser@gmail.com> writes:

> 1) I think some valid questions have been raised to which I have not
> seen ANY satisfactory answer that no doubt a person who truly
> understands the subject (unlike me) should be able to give. (though I
> might have missed some)

Everything that's been raised in this thread apart from Oracle's alleged
SMF patent trolling was already raised and discussed in the giant
Technical Committee bug of doom. The reason why you're not seeing a lot
of constructive engagement with those points here is that most of us are
exhausted with this conversation and tired of repeating ourselves.

People have a natural tendency to claim that they could be persuaded if
someone would just engage in the discussion that *they* want to have, as
opposed to the hundreds of discussions we've previously had, but the
reality is that just about everyone made up their mind a long time ago and
are unlikely to be persuaded by the perfectly-phrased counter-argument.

At this point, for better or worse, we're in the "we're going to do this
and see how it goes" phase of the discussion.

The Oracle patent trolling is new, at least to me, but Debian also has a
project-wide policy, already applied in many similar cases, of ignoring
things like that in the absence of considerably more evidence of legal
risk than we have to date. (And that legal risk, if it exists, would not
be discussed in public, due to the pathologies of patent law in at least
the United States and possibly elsewhere.)

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Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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