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Re: [Bulk] Re: Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:37:59 +0100
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

> Arch, openSUSE and Fedora are among the most popular and widely
> used Linux distributions where most of the upstream development
> happens.

Show me the numbers, I completely disagree and developers from those
ditributions such as RedHat have been equally vocal against systemd.

> > and two companies shipping products that actually are embedded in a dash 

> Those two are multi-billion dollar companies.

With many projects where systemd couldn't even hope to be used. The
point is you are trying to make a point out of nothing.

> On the other hand, what companies and distributions and companies
> actively support Upstart and OpenRC.

Meaningless. How many companies support development of /sbin/init?

> Don't diminish the achievements by the systemd developers when
> the competition isn't even remotely on par when it comes to
> momentum and community and company support.

I don't wish to get dragged into what has been discussed far better
many times before yet again. I have faith that those that have spoken
against systemd have shown good reasoning and understanding and the
opposite camp largely misunderstands what already exists and the depth
of usage with a few minor plus points. I also realise security benefits
are often muted and risks misunderstood.

Init scripts are here to stay no matter what happens for many
reasons, the only question is what is the best default or init just
for Debian. Which is easiest to switch to. Which default may cause bugs
and/or lend itself to upstreams making worse and less pliable software.

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