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Re: Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.


Svante Signell:
> But: Don't you se the the current development is heading towards a
> Windows locked-in situation, and a reboot is necessary for every
> upgrade?
How so? You can upgrade systemd. (SysVinit doesn't have any features beyond
re-reading /etc/inittab you might want to upgrade _for_ …)

> kdbus, udev, gnome, network-manager, pulseaudio, wayland, (add to the
> list here)
kdbus is a kernel module, you don't upgrade that without upgrading the
kernel. I see no good solution to do a non-reboot kernel upgrade any time
soon; if you do need that, process migration works these days, so put a
second box beside the original one which takes over temporarily.

You can restart pulse. No big problem except temporary interrupt of audio,
which cannot be avoided. Presumably it'll never be possible to seamlessly
re-exec Wayland, but then that was never possible with X11, so what exactly
are you complaining about?

You can restart udev. No problem. So can network-manager; not quite as
seamlessly, but then your network connections should tolerate a few seconds
of outage; if they don't don't use NM.

So if that's your biggest argument against systemd, I guess you'll have no
problem when Debian switches to it.

-- Matthias Urlichs

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