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Re: openrc packaging status (Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports)

Dear Guys,

Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> writes:

> one which is at least installable with apt-get + sid sources. that's
> still not the case, despite 684396 being announced here a year ago.

(Replying generally)

There seems to be some doubts concerning why #684396 has taken a whole
year without being finished. This fact is quoted by people to infer
OpenRC is not serious and not for production.

They are two things and should not be mixed. I am only going to respond
to the first question here.

On my side, I am offering to package OpenRC. I did not have a deep
understanding of Debian packaging and learnt as I went, although I
myself had been a user for 10 years. (My servers are Debian and Gentoo,
laptop/desktops are Debian.) I was not in a hurry. After composing a
wiki page[1] and having all my Debian boxes with OpenRC, I just spent a
bit more time to evaluate the solution by actually using it for my own
daily life and production. And yeah, it's partially because of laziness.
I haven't seen people ping this bug and thought there is not a wide
audience so I took my own pace.

I don't think we are in a race with systemd. It feels that people
developing or supporting systemd are competing against the world, as if
they can dominate the community by rolling out more modern features,
advancing fast enough, pushing others hard and finally rendering
everything alternative into the museum. This is a nice commercial
strategy and is more likely to succeed in competition. But I don't care
about it.

Things changed when it evolves into a GSoC project, where we have a
student actively working on it. It becomes my duty to co-mentor with
Thomas to realize the ITP. We are gaining momentum after the student,
Bill Wang, has digested the basics.

I can visualize that within two months we will have a off-the-shelf
OpenRC package working with initscripts/sysvinit vanilla offering modern
features like cgroups, at users' choice.

Voice from upstream, the OpenRC team is well aware of the effort and is
eager to take patches necessary to support Debian, provided it can both
benefit Debian and Gentoo, as is often the case when we come down to
this level of OS.

Relax fellows. let's see what we can get and have fun.


1. http://wiki.debian.org/OpenRC

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