Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports
On 07/14/2013 08:31 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Jul 14, David Kalnischkies <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>> At least I am seriously expecting that Debian isn't discarding the outcome
>> of a project it has officially endorsed to be under its umbrella for GSoC
>> without even the slightest bit of consideration.
> I am seriously expecting that Debian will not waste time with what is
> clearly an inferior solution just because somebody approved a GSoC
> project for it.
Me as well! Though I don't think working on OpenRC is a waste, and it
isn't my view that it is an inferior solution: at least it will work for
kFreeBSD and Hurd, provide cgroup supports, and simplify init scripts.
The fact that it doesn't do too much and rewrite absolutely everything
from syslog to I-don't-know-what can be seen as a good thing, not a bad
one (this is my view that systemd is bloated).
>> GSoC in Debian was announced a long time ago, enough time to raise
>> any objections against any proposed project. Either this wasn't done or
>> it wasn't done loud enough as the OpenRC project was accepted and is now
> It was done by me and others in the related BTS bug (#684396), and I
> believe that I was loud enough.
Don't worry, you were loud enough, no doubts about that! :)
On 07/14/2013 08:38 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> As I said before
No need to repeat yourself then!
> this whole OpenRC in Debian has been announced almost over
> a year ago
Absolutely nobody made any announcement. Zero, none...
> yet there isn't any fully working implementation
I'm not sure what you call "fully working". If you are talking about the
software itself, well, Gentoo has been using it for years. For what I
can see in Debian, it currently boots and runs init scripts, and the
status I gave shows that only a few Debian integrations are missing. The
core system works, which was the biggest concern.
Is it your view that reimplementation of update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d
will need many years of testings to make sure they are correct? In that
case, systemd needs a millennium to be tested correctly!
> while systemd is already in production use.
Maybe you should give OpenRC (and the GSoC student) a chance. That's all
we asked. Please respect this project.
Seeing the shape the discussion is taking, it is very clear that people
like you, Marco and Michael, will dismiss OpenRC as a possibility,
whatever happens. It doesn't mater, feel free to do that, but *later on*
please, when we have the results at the end of the summer. Please
respect this project, and the people that believe in it.
Also, anyway what happens, even if we switch to systemd or upstart, both
wont work for anything else than Linux (as stated earlier in this
thread). So whatever happens, it will not be a waste.