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Re: Bug#688772: [CTTE #688772] Dependency of meta-gnome on network-manager

On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 13:31:37, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le lundi 25 février 2013 à 11:43 -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit :
> > > 4. We overrule the decision of the meta-gnome maintainers to add a
> > > 
> > >    dependency from gnome to network-manager-gnome; this dependency
> > >    should be removed. If in the opinion of the NM maintainer (and
> > >    before the release of wheezy the Chair of the Technical Committee
> > >    or an individual delegated by the Chair in consultation with the
> > >    Release Team) the concerns raised in §4 of the CTTE decision
> > >    #681834 have been addressed through technical means (e.g. by
> > >    preventing the starting of NM as discussed in #688772), the
> > >    meta-gnome maintainers may freely adjust the dependencies as
> > >    usual.
> > 
> > Can we consider that the changes in NetworkManager are OK on
> > this matter?
> I think those changes did most/all of the work to resolve the really
> important issues from my perspective.[1] However, Bdale and the RMs
> are the people who have to decide on this, so my opinion doesn't
> really count for anything.
> If anyone else has any comments on why the current version of NM
> doesn't address the concerns in §4 of the CTTE decision, please raise
> them to the bug.

Were the issues relating to wicd and network-manager intercting badly 
addressed somehow?  I know there was a plan [1] to fix this, but I didn't see 
the intended followup.  [There may have been unforseen difficulties with the 
proposed solution.]

Last I checked this as part of #688772, attempting to use wicd caused a 
counterintuitive error message of "Connection Failed: bad password" if 
network-manager was running.  I just tested this again on Sid, and this is 
still the case.  [I don't currently have the ability to test Wheezy for this.]

When this was brought up in the bug report, the response was "network-manager 
can be installed, then disabled", but how to do that wasn't documented 
anywhere in the network-manager package.  Instead the next suggestion was 
documenting this issue in the Wheey errata [2], but I don't see network-
manager or wicd mentioned there, nor mentioned in the Installation Guide [3] 
for Wheezy.


[1]:  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688772#464

[2]:  http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata

[3]:  http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/install.txt.en

  -- Chris

Chris Knadle

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