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Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:57:50AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> >  Some things must be as simple as possible even today.
> Care to elaborate why? To save memory on an 8 GB workstation? Even the 25 US$ Raspberry Pi has enough power for systemd.

  This is obvious. For security and stability reasons. This is KISS.

> Are you also choosing FAT32 over ext4 because it is simpler?

  Yes, of course. In some embedded devices we use fat32 or ext2. It simpler
and faster.

> >  May be init today should has some new features, but systemd is not such new
> > init. systemd is a wrong way. See plan9 for a good design examples.
> What makes you think that systemd does it the wrong way? They are using a very similar concept that Apple uses very successfully on MacOS X since 10.4 while no one in this universe has ever touched Plan 9 again.

  Who said that Apple concepts are technically good? I don't think so.

> People are constantly insisting that systemd is too bloated or unreliable, but yet no one has really come up with real examples to prove that.

  I think this is the question of the near future.

> Yes, the core binary of System V Init is smaller than systemd's. However, System V Init needs a lot of bloat in form of hacky bash scripts using even more external tools like sed and awk to be actually useful in any regard.

  And what? The easy and power extension mechanisms are bad? I don't
understand, why do people that don't like and don't understand unix ideas
still use it and complain about it?

> And I think it makes way more sense to have all the functionality of the init system integrated into it's core binary rather than depending on external scripts which will hopefully do what init expects from them.

  Sorry, but this is not true. This is the bad design and a wrong way.

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