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status of eligibility of dug lists on lists.debian.org



Hi,

We are in the process of kickstarting a Debian User Group (DUG), also
known as a Local Group on the Debian wiki[1], in Montreal. We wish to unite
the Debian Members that are in the city, but also interest the numerous
free software enthusiasts in the Debian project.

However, after digging through numerous documentation pages[2], it is
now unclear to me that there is a concensus over the user of
lists.debian.org for such local groups, even though the wiki page says
otherwise. For example, the dug-muc (munich) request has been
rejected[3] and the dug-nyc request seems to be on hold, mentionning
that the proper place is on teams.debian.net[4].

There also seems to be a disagreement about how big a group should be to
"desserve" a mailing list[3].

I think this is doing a disservice to our users. I can't imagine a user
being able to go through all this trouble to setup tools for a local
group.

Even as a Debian Developer, I find the situation daunting, and I am not
too eager to file a bug report only to be flamed for reporting
issues[5].

So I request opinion from my fellow developers - what should a local
group do to have discussions about their group? Should Debian
infrastructure be available for this? If so, which?

I see the following options:

 [ ] A: Do nothing, let them figure it out
 [ ] B: Host lists on lists.debian.org
 [ ] C: Host lists on teams.debian.org
 [ ] D: Host lists on alioth

So far it seems that teams are setting up their own listservs in random
places, but that seems to be like a patchwork solution: my opinion is
that we should instead help our users with the resources at our dispoal.

Thank you for your time and understanding,

A.

Notes:

[1] http://wiki.debian.org/LocalGroups
[2] http://www.debian.org/MailingLists and
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list.en.html
[3] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687558 - although
it seems the original requestor closed the bug himself...
[4] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454642 - also note
that the above NYC request describes problems with archives and mail
delivery on teams.debian.net
[5] I find http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687558#20 to
be out of order and unnecessary.

-- 
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autres. Fût-ce l'amour de Dieu.
                        - Nietzsche, "Par delà le bien et le mal"

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