On Sunday, August 19, 2012 20:41:47, Michael Biebl wrote: […] > I won't bother following up as I'm really tired of all this BS on > debian-devel regarding NM lately. Sorry. > My guess is, that this will be another of those pointless NM bashing > threads, where nothing useful comes out of it. Actually I'm not sure > what the point of this thread is, but it definitely managed to piss me > off, the maintainer of network-manager, and I'm not going to further > participate. I'm sorry you're feeling hurt from the NM criticism. I'm confident that nobody had any intent of hurting your feelings. Whatever opinions I or others my have about NM are about the software is mostly about the software that comes from upstream -- which has nothing to do with you directly, so /please/ try not to take this personally. Also this thread started mainly about *other* packages that pull in network-manager as a dependency, which doesn't even have to do with the network-manager package itself. NM is just one part of a larger "meta issue" going on concerning coordination /between/ various packages. There's a natural tendency to have an emotional attachment and pride one's work. In the case of Debian packaging the maintainer gets to have a lot of input on how the package gets installed and might have /some/ control over the software's default behavior, but to a large extent it seems to me the maintainer only has minimal control over how the software actually works, because that comes from upstream and it's specifically /not/ the packager's task to implement major design changes to it. I therefore think taking criticism about the /software itself/ that a maintainer packaged /personally/ is a harsh self-judgment, especially if there's not much a maintainer can actually /do/ about the perceived design failings that the software might have. This reminds me of the the "Serenity Prayer" [1] mantra used during meetings of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA). The part of this that I think is non-obvious is that one's emotions and reaction are actually a choice. For instance, my experience is that if someone outright criticizes me directly with the obvious intent of /trying/ to hurt my feelings, /that/ is often far easier to dismiss than if someone criticizes the output of my efforts /without/ any obvious intent to make it hurt. This is a good thing as otherwise I would be allowing someone else to /control/ my emotions and my reaction. But the extension of this is even more interesting -- that I am /responsible/ for my emotions as as well as my reaction, because they are both my choice. (There's an interesting 10-minute video [2] discussing some of these issues which I think is worth watching.) Finally, I want to make it clear that none of the above is meant as criticism of any kind -- it's meant purely as an attempt to help. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_Prayer [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhgtGFPTeMY -- Chris -- Chris Knadle Chris.Knadle@coredump.us GPG Key: 4096R/0x1E759A726A9FDD74
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