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Re: CD sizes again (and BoF reminder!)

On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 08:42:07PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-07-07 at 16:14 +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
> - ftp, telnet: mostly redundant with wget and nc, unless you really like
> cleartext authentication

I don't get why anyone would talk about "authentication" in the context of
ftp and telnet in this millennium.  Both do still see some use for authless
services (downloads, dupload, termcast, ...).  For downloads, wget and web
browsers are indeed good alternatives, for termcast you need real telnet but
that's an obscure use.

+1 to dropping them from CD1, of course.

> - jfsutils, reiserfsprogs, ufsutils: obscure

These really need to stay on CD1.  JFS in particular used to be the fastest
filesystem not so long ago (for anything but big linear writes, where XFS
was better), and thus is still in quite wide use.  Being unmaintained these
days, it doesn't make any sense on new systems, but in a rescue/reinstall
situation, you need such packages at hand.

And isn't UFS still the default filesystem on kfreebsd installs?  Of course,
it makes little sense on CD1 on Linux.

> - openssh-server: server, not desktop

Doesn't take much, and for the likes of us, is really useful.  Can be
installed from the network, though.

> - deborphan, debfoster: obscure

debfoster is great whenever you care about disk usage. Sure, that is mostly
the case on vservers and the like rather than desktops, but as libraries,
gnome components, random packages you tried once, etc, accumulate, it's nice
to be able to drop unneeded cruft.

Copyright and patents were never about promoting culture and innovations;
from the very start they were legalized bribes to give the king some income
and to let businesses get rid of competition.  For some history, please read

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