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Re: Making -devel discussions more viable (init system)

On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 16:58 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 05/03/2012 07:23 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> > I agree that's a problem too and I share your feeling that it has been
> > particularly bad in recent discussions like the init system ones.
> To keep on the topic of the init systems, we had Patrick Lauer,
> a Gentoo developer who I believe knows quite a lot on the topic,
> coming to propose some contributions with OpenRC, and propose
> that Gentoo and Debian work together on a nice init system,

Yes, he did.

> which potentially could help us to go our way, not being bound
> to components which we don't really control

Good for Debian as a free software supplier.

> We should have had some enthusiastic replies and constructive
> comments on how we could make this happen, how we could improve
> OpenRC to fit our needs. Instead, I have read posts criticizing
> without knowing. If I was Patrick, I'd be pissed-off and I would
> go back to my Gentoo work, and forget any collaboration with
> Debian.

He probably was.

> I would have happily worked with Patrick on porting OpenRC to
> Debian, and have it to understand the LSB headers, etc. 

Me too!

> But if
> some want to fight this idea, I'm not motivated anymore either.

It is not good to loose motivation by this kind of heated discussion, we
could do better in being constructive, not the opposite.

> But that's not the problem. The issue is that there's no
> outcome, and that it's demotivating. If I read others that
> what we want to work on isn't a good idea, I will simply
> not work on that, and external contributors will run away.

Too sad.

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