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Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Reinhard Tartler <siretart@gmail.com> 
> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle@coredump.us> 
> >> On Monday, March 05, 2012 10:42:50, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> >> ...
> >> 
> >>> Friendly discussion with the maintainer of debian-multimedia.org to
> >>> not replace libraries such as libavcodec and friends have failed
> >>> ultimatively (BTW, that is part of the reason why we've ended up with
> >>> an epoch of '4', dmo uses epoch '5');  he has repeatedly shown that is
> >>> not interested in collaborating with pkg-multimedia at all. He also
> >>> does not seem interested in installing libraries in a way that they do
> >>> not interfere with 'official' Debian packages (e.g., by changing
> >>> SONAMES, or installing in private directories, etc.).
> >> 
> >> I've been trying to find where these discussions occurred, but I'm
> >> unable to find them in either [dmo-discussion] mailing list archives
> >> (which go back as far as June 2010), nor in the [debian-multimedia]
> >> mailing list at least as far back as January 2010.
> > 
> > Try the pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list:


> > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-multimedia-maintainers/2008-
> > November/002221.html

On this all I see is a request on the mailing list meant for Christian 
re:epoch, but no reply.  It's also 4 years ago, before the release of Lenny.

> > --
> > regards,
> >     Reinhard

Other emails I see on [pkg-multimedia-maintainers] going back to 2010:

Christian Marrilat:

  Mar 19 2011 (helpful):
    Bug#618899: libffms2-dev: Missing dependecies [1]

  Aug 14 2011 (quite interesting):
    Bug#637758: libmp4v2-dev: Should be architecture any and not all  [2]

  Nov 19 2010 (snide):
    Bug#544062: ITP: xcfa -- X Convert File Audio  [3]

Christian might be opinionated, but it also seems to me like he's trying to 
work (at least some) with d.o AFAICS.

Another recent thread relating to d-m.o:

Andres Mejia, Mar 5 2012:
    Fwd: Re: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains  [4]

Reinhard Tartler Mar 5 2012 (interesting):
    Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains   [5]

Logic question: why is debian-multimedia.org considered a Debian domain when 
it's not under a *.debian.org DNS name, but yet something *.debian.net is not 
considered part of Debian?  Is anything "*[debian]*.org" of issue?

On Friday, March 16, 2012 17:34:12, Andres Mejia wrote:
> Here's another one, showing more or less what Reinhard has been saying.
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=592457

Yes I've read the above bug report previously -- it's simultaneously mildly 
shocking but also not very illuminating.  Christian gets frustrated when his 
bug report is lowered in severity after 4 weeks with no explanation, S.Z. 
makes an insinuation of a problem between Christian and ffmpeg maintainers.  
There are several ways to read between the lines there.

Thankfully even though the social outcome is somewhat negative, the bug has a 
positive technical outcome.

[1]   http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-multimedia-

[2]   http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-multimedia-

[3]   http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-multimedia-

[4]   http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-multimedia-

[5]   http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-multimedia-

  -- Chris

Chris Knadle

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