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Re: intermediate result of packaging-dev meta package discussion

Am Dienstag, den 07.06.2011, 10:46 +0100 schrieb Neil Williams:
> On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 11:34:30 +0200
> Vincent Danjean <vdanjean.ml@free.fr> wrote:
> > > A few days ago, we had a discussion about a packaging-dev meta package.
> > > The responses were between neutral and positive. Therefore I created a
> > > initial draft [1] and tried to incorporate all suggestions made in the
> > > discussion.
> > > 
> > > The list looks currently like this:
> > > 
> > > Depends: [...]
> > >          pbuilder | cowbuilder | sbuild,
> > 
> >   My laptop, where I do all my packaging work but final build, has
> > none of them installed. I've a separate machine with several chroots
> > (lenny, squeeze, unstable and several for ubuntu) managed with sbuild that
> > I use when I want to really build the package I will upload. Due to disk
> > space, I cannot instal them (chroots) on my laptop.
> >   I other people work like me, these tools can be moved to Recommends
> I disagree. pbuilder or the alternatives are fundamental to best
> practice Debian packaging. The needs of Debian are wider than a single
> user having a problem with a single machine.
> This package is trying to express best practice for packaging, to get a
> baseline. You admit that you have a way of building in a chroot and it
> isn't required that everyone uploading to Debian has this package
> installed, it is simply a way of making it simple for most people to
> have a standard set of build tools.
> Most people would have space for a pbuilder chroot (it's only a few
> hundred megabytes even unpacked, it's the apt cache which takes up the
> space and that can be cleared with a configuration change) and everyone
> using packaging-dev should be expected (required) to use a chroot to
> build packages prior to upload.
> Recommending chroot build tools is not strong enough.

Beginners are the target, not experienced packagers. That's why Neil's
reasons seems to be stronger for me than Vincent's. Therefore I will
leave the chroot dependency as dependency unless more people are in
favor of moving them to Recommends.

Benjamin Drung
Debian & Ubuntu Developer

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