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Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 03:39:57PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Sun, 01 May 2011, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > * Raphael Hertzog (hertzog@debian.org) [110501 08:41]:
> > > Fixing RC bugs in testing and getting new upstream versions that are
> > > ready in testing is not a burden for developers, it's what we're
> > > supposed to do to ensure we can release as quickly as possible.
> > 
> > Who is the "we" you are speaking about here? Does that "we" have
> > enough man power to do that?
> We = developers/maintainers/Debian as a whole
> It seemed obvious to me.
> I understand members of the release team feel particularly responsible to
> do various release-critical tasks that should have been done by the
> maintainers but haven't (for various reasons). And I guess that's the
> reason of your remark.
> But that's not scalable ultimately. So I think it's a good move to say
> we support testing and we expect every maintainer to take care of their
> packages there (as opposed to the current situation where too much of that
> work is left in the hands of the release team).

I've stared at that for a long time, read it three time to be sure I
read it properly. And it seems I did… I'm still staring at it in
disbelief while I'm answering.

You're saying:

    I acknowledge that people are not interested in stable releases
    enough and that the RT has to compensate all the time.

    Let's pretend we care about testing being usable, that will make
    people who don't care, to actually care and fix their bugs!

Of course the release team doesn't scale this way, I'm happy you
noticed. But what you propose isn't even wishful thinking. I'm still not
believing you've written something that naive, are you really deluding
yourself to that point?

PS: when you say your trick like that, you know, people know you're
    trying to trick them and it doesn't work anymore. I've two children,
    I can tell.
·O·  Pierre Habouzit
··O                                                madcoder@debian.org
OOO                                                http://www.madism.org

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