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Re: Upstart on kFreeBSD? [was: The future of the boot system in Debian]

On 11/7/09, Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> wrote:
> Hi!
> On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 14:00:23 +0000, Alan Jenkins wrote:
>> On 9/5/09, Petter Reinholdtsen <pere@hungry.com> wrote:
>> > change the init.d script
>> > handling to treat upstart jobs as init.d scripts, to provide an
>> > alternative for architectures lacking upstart support
>> I read this as a euphemism for non-linux architectures such as
>> kFreeBSD.  But I don't understand how this would be done.
>> An alternative would be to make upstart more portable.  At the moment
>> the only obvious technical problem is the use of ptrace(), but I don't
>> see this as insurmountable.  I think the biggest problem would be to
>> persuade upstream.
> There's several others (taken from this thread [0]):
>  * inotify
>  * waitid()
>  * epoll, eventfd, signalfd, timerfd
>  * ptrace
>  * netlink proc connector
>  * netlink udev interface
> Check Scott's [1] and Petr's [2] mails on that thread for more details.
> [0] <http://lists.debian.org/debian-bsd/2009/07/msg00117.html>
> [1] <http://lists.debian.org/debian-bsd/2009/07/msg00122.html>
> [2] <http://lists.debian.org/debian-bsd/2009/07/msg00120.html>
>> I'm prepared to work on the code... if it's really feasible, it
>> shouldn't take too long.  What I can't do is make a solid case to
>> upstream by myself.  It would really need agreement from the debian
>> upstart maintainers that this is their preferred way forward, along
>> with a commitment that Debian will help resolve any portability issues
>> which arise in future versions of upstart.
> The biggest issue I see is that someone will have to step up and
> become “upstream” for the non-Linux ports, given Scott's position.
> I'm not sure how he'd expect those to get released, if as outright
> forks or something else, that'd need to be discussed with him. It will
> also need copyright assignments [3] for the code that might need to be
> merged back.
> [3] <http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/CopyrightAssignment>
>> Does this make any sense?  Is anyone already working on running
>> upstart scripts on non-linux architectures?
> It was brought up in the debian-bsd list, but I don't know of any one
> working on it.
> regards,
> guillem


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