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Re: Bug#484129: release.debian.org: packages in tasks should be fixed in priority and removed in last resort after discussion

Pierre Habouzit wrote:
>   No it's not. The principal goal of testing is to evaluate what would
> be our next stable if we tried to release *RIGHT NOW*. Packages with RC
> bugs cannot be part of a release, so must be kept out. *I* don't really
> care about testing being fully usable all the time, I care about it
> being a good representation of what could be released. Testing was meant
> as a release management tool, not really as a usable distribution.

If testing is not intended to be a usable distribution, then the d-i
team should stop trying to make releases using it. d-i needs a usable
distribution to install, or we don't get any, well, testing. 

This will, as you perhaps know, require 2 to 6 months of development
work after testing *does* become a usable distribution (ie, post-freeze)
before a d-i can be released for it.

>   People happen to use it, but (1) I often discourage this to people I
> talk to (2) there are people that care about testing being usable,
> that's why testing-security and t-p-u exists. Talk to them, those are
> the guys that are interested in fixing packages before we actually
> remove them from testing. I work from this URL [0] (I posted it already
> several times btw), there is around 100 bugs, it's quite easy to have a
> look at it, and to see if there is something worth saving in the
> list[1].  But that's not our job[2].

I hope, and believe that you are not representative of the release team as a
whole here.

My experience in and with the release team has been that team members
are very interested in keeping testing as usable as possible, and spend
a lot of time on this, including getting down in the trenches and fixing
bugs. Sometimes they have to make a hard decision such as dropping a RC
buggy package from testing, but this decision is hard precicely because
they know that it can hurt the usability, desirability, and
releasability of testing.

It sounds like this has become an easy decision for you; that's very

see shy jo

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