On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 18:08 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: > Joey Hess wrote: > > > Frans, Cord, Martin, Pascal, > > > > I'm writing the listmasters because reading debian-user has become > > nearly unbearable for me (one of the sadly few DDs who bothers to read > > our user lists) due to volume and offensiveness/repetativeness of > > offtopic posts there. > > I would like to help in whatever way I can to stop these OT posts. I have > previously complained about it. But the OT posters never seem to listen. > There were only a bunch in the beginning, of late the number of OT posters > is also increasing. Now that the complaint is coming from a DD, I hope that > some action/policy will be laid out... > > Greg Folkert (http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/05/msg01282.html) > even made a mockery of people complaining about OT posts. That is just sad. It was a mockery, but if you'll notice I have scaled back my involvement with really *ANY* thread that is off topic. It was a mockery and sort of a poke at people to slow it down. I just did before any newbie or others could complain. I had hoped that laughing about it would help. But apparently it offended the likes of you. Can you honestly say that I have been as blatant doing OT as I was, waiting for Etch to release, back in February/March? Please don't start throwing mud, it'll just get ugly. But then again, maybe I should twitfile you? > What makes this whole issue difficult is that these people hijack threads > and make them OT. While I may be interested in the original thread, it > becomes unreadable in the due course. > > Moreover, the OT posters are pretty knowledgeable about Debian (atleast they > know a lot more than myself). So I cannot even killfile them since then I > would not benefit from their non-OT posts. It is a choice you have to make. Twit them and ignore them completely, or not and just ignore the OT threads by twiting the thread. > > I've in the past threatened to leave -user > > entirely, and I have in fact moved a lot of my attention to providing > > support on forums.debian.net[4], but I would prefer that Debian > > articulate a policy of not tolerating this kind of behavior. > > > > It's so sad that these OT posters are driving away people like you. I have > always enjoyed (learned a lot from) your posts on this mailing list. I guess you'd rather see the OT posters go away. There are about 30 of us. Though, I "got the hint" with Neil Sumner reporting me to the DPL, after I told him to STFU, in worse words than that. Though he had been including me in *EVERY* correspondence, with "gee you are MUCH better at handling conversation than Greg Folkert. I sure hope everyone isn't like him." After a few messages like that, coming to me provately, I basically kept telling him to stop sending me private mail... which he didn't. I exploded on him publicly. My bad, I apologized and moved on. I believe that since OT has become a BIG problem, self-moderation or "thinking/re-reading" before *you the sender* send is a much better option than banning people. Although, if D-U became subscriber posting only based... along with the other lists, SPAM killing would become MUCH easier, allowing resources to used otherwise. -- greg, greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C Alternate Fingerprint: 09F9 1102 9D74 E35B D841 56C5 6356 88C0
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