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Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 18:08 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> Joey Hess wrote:
> > Frans, Cord, Martin, Pascal,
> > 
> > I'm writing the listmasters because reading debian-user has become
> > nearly unbearable for me (one of the sadly few DDs who bothers to read
> > our user lists) due to volume and offensiveness/repetativeness of
> > offtopic posts there.
> I would like to help in whatever way I can to stop these OT posts. I have
> previously complained about it. But the OT posters never seem to listen.
> There were only a bunch in the beginning, of late the number of OT posters
> is also increasing. Now that the complaint is coming from a DD, I hope that
> some action/policy will be laid out...
> Greg Folkert (http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/05/msg01282.html)
> even made a mockery of people complaining about OT posts. That is just sad.

It was a mockery, but if you'll notice I have scaled back my involvement
with really *ANY* thread that is off topic. It was a mockery and sort of
a poke at people to slow it down. I just did before any newbie or others
could complain. I had hoped that laughing about it would help. But
apparently it offended the likes of you.

Can you honestly say that I have been as blatant doing OT as I was,
waiting for Etch to release, back in February/March?

Please don't start throwing mud, it'll just get ugly. But then again,
maybe I should twitfile you?

> What makes this whole issue difficult is that these people hijack threads
> and make them OT. While I may be interested in the original thread, it
> becomes unreadable in the due course.
> Moreover, the OT posters are pretty knowledgeable about Debian (atleast they
> know a lot more than myself). So I cannot even killfile them since then I
> would not benefit from their non-OT posts.

It is a choice you have to make. Twit them and ignore them completely,
or not and just ignore the OT threads by twiting the thread.

> > I've in the past threatened to leave -user 
> > entirely, and I have in fact moved a lot of my attention to providing
> > support on forums.debian.net[4], but I would prefer that Debian
> > articulate a policy of not tolerating this kind of behavior.
> > 
> It's so sad that these OT posters are driving away people like you. I have
> always enjoyed (learned a lot from) your posts on this mailing list.

I guess you'd rather see the OT posters go away. There are about 30 of
us. Though, I "got the hint" with Neil Sumner reporting me to the DPL,
after I told him to STFU, in worse words than that.

Though he had been including me in *EVERY* correspondence, with "gee you
are MUCH better at handling conversation than Greg Folkert. I sure hope
everyone isn't like him." After a few messages like that, coming to me
provately, I basically kept telling him to stop sending me private
mail... which he didn't. I exploded on him publicly. My bad, I
apologized and moved on.

I believe that since OT has become a BIG problem, self-moderation or
"thinking/re-reading" before *you the sender* send is a much better
option than banning people.

Although, if D-U became subscriber posting only based... along with the
other lists, SPAM killing would become MUCH easier, allowing resources
to used otherwise.
greg, greg@gregfolkert.net
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