The correct use of debian-devel
Hi, i would like to extrapolate a discussion from the big "Sun Java
available from non-free" thread and comment and listen for comment on
it. In particular, the primary question is: Who can write on debian-devel?
Please, don't consider this a polemic message (except the last part
maybe... ;-) ): i would only understand because it not the first time i
read messages like the followings.
Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 12:18:16PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
On 6/4/06, Anthony Towns <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 12:18:39AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
Too many excuses. All inadequate.
It is past time that the covert actions of the "small cabal"
were openly reviewed. The license (for convenience), any
relevant written promises from Sun (if any), and any relevant
written legal opinions from counsel (if any) should forthwith
be posted to debian-legal.
For those playing along at home, Mike isn't a Debian developer, doesn't
maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer applicant. He doesn't
even seem to be a regular participant on the debian-legal list.
None of those things seem to be relevant.
For those still playing, Olaf also isn't a Debian developer, doesn't
maintain any packages, and isn't a new-maintainer applicant. He's made
something like 5 posts to debian-legal, though, which I guess given Andrew
Donnellan's assertion that someone with one post ever on -legal is a
"regular participant", means Olaf is a senior analyst or something.
As beautiful as this irony is of a non-developer asserting on a developer
list that being involved in development is irrelevant, you might want to
give some thought to the question of why a non-developer making demands of
anyone might be seen as doubly-inappropriate.
I'am not a Debian developer and i don't maintain any package. But i
regularly read debian-devel (and others) and sometimes reply, because
http://lists.debian.org/devel.html summary reports that:
"There are several lists on which developers and experienced users
discuss more technical issues. In addition, there are some announcement
lists to help experienced users keep track of development."
And near the debian-devel entry there is that description: "Development
And since debian-devel is the more general mailing list between
development lists, i consider it in the more wide meaning. As
contributing to the Debian maintenance and growth, not only writing code.
If it is not correct, please update the web page accordingly: it is
Because for someone that is not a "primary collaborator", a DD, but use
Sid to follow the Debian development, report and comments on bug, reply
to suggest improvement, collaborate with developer to solve problems
(DD: Please can you try this? What if you run... Your hardware in
uncommon, what do you see...) and express sane, constructive and polite
opinion on subjects that he judges important and, in general, acts
hoping to help the Debian project going on, even on non-regular basis,
well in all these cases replies like that of Anthony and Steve looks
unpolite and frustrating.
They seems to say: "If you don't write code, you cannot permit to speak
in debian-devel". Or, that is worse: "If you don't write code you are
not partecipating in the Debian development".