Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys
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Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Saturday 27 May 2006 16:12, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> Paul Johnson wrote:
>>> On Saturday 27 May 2006 14:12, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
>>>> On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 01:54:03PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
>>>>>>> Oregon abolished the voting booth in 2000
>>>>>> Oh, so they get better counts and less fraud by doing away with ballot
>>>>>> secrecy. How wonderful.
>>>>> No, that's not how it works, your ballot is still secret. Think about
>>>>> it for a minute. You sign the mailing envelope, your ballot goes in a
>>>>> secrecy envelope. Elections compares signatures, opens the mailing
>>>>> envelope and saves it for the voter rolls, sends the secrecy envelope
>>>>> down the line off to the counting machines to be opened separately in
>>>>> some other room.
>>>> That is secrecy only to the government; not in general. For instance,
>>>> someone can easily pressure you into voting for party or candidate X,
>>>> _since they can verify it_ (just watch as you put the ballot in the
>>>> envelope, and make sure you post it). With a voting booth, nobody can
>>>> effectively pressure you, as your vote is secret from everybody.
>>> Nobody can effectively pressure you, except everyone else in line,
>>> campaigners trolling the polling place, and the inability to get the day
>>> off to vote because polling places are only open 4-6 hours on election
>>> day. If you want to ignore that vote by mail is more secure than the
>>> voting booth, that's fine. Don't move to Oregon.
>> With vote-by-mail from the privacy (and seclusion) of your home,
>> who's to stop a political operative or angry husband from saying
>> "vote Democrat, or else!"?
> The fact you can go to the police, and you can vote wherever you please. If
> you're really that concerned about it, you can go down to county elections,
> say your ballot got lost in the mail or tell them that someone else coerced
> you (which voids the original ballot's mailing envelope, and if that mailing
> envelope gets cast, they void the ballot it contains) and they'll give you a
> fresh ballot and envelopes. You're welcome to vote at the elections office,
> but if you want privacy you're going to have to lock yourself in a restroom.
> Penalties for screwing with other people's votes here are severe.
That's after-the-fact. Eliminate the possibility by voting in a
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