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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 03:41:58PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Saturday 27 May 2006 14:12, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> > On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 01:54:03PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > >>> Oregon abolished the voting booth in 2000

> > >> Oh, so they get better counts and less fraud by doing away with ballot
> > >> secrecy. How wonderful.

> > > No, that's not how it works, your ballot is still secret.  Think about it
> > > for a minute.  You sign the mailing envelope, your ballot goes in a
> > > secrecy envelope.  Elections compares signatures, opens the mailing
> > > envelope and saves it for the voter rolls, sends the secrecy envelope
> > > down the line off to the counting machines to be opened separately in
> > > some other room.

> > That is secrecy only to the government; not in general. For instance,
> > someone can easily pressure you into voting for party or candidate X,
> > _since they can verify it_ (just watch as you put the ballot in the
> > envelope, and make sure you post it). With a voting booth, nobody can
> > effectively pressure you, as your vote is secret from everybody.

> Nobody can effectively pressure you, except everyone else in line, campaigners 
> trolling the polling place, and the inability to get the day off to vote 
> because polling places are only open 4-6 hours on election day.

None of these people are in the voting booth with you and they are therefore
not in a position to verify the vote you cast and punish you for it.

> If you want to ignore that vote by mail is more secure than the voting
> booth, that's fine.  Don't move to Oregon.

If you want to make facile arguments, that's fine.  But don't do it on

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
vorlon@debian.org                                   http://www.debian.org/

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