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Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 12:36:56PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Toni L. Harbaugh-Blackford [Contr] wrote:
> > I don't think you understand.  There was not a peep on the list about
> > anything being up with the daily image until Sven explicitely stated it.
> All of us who read http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/build-logs.html
> on a daily basis knew that the powerpc builds had not updated in a

Ah, yeah, and when where you going to fix this ? And when where you going to
inform the powerpc users ? 

> while, but given that 
> a) They're marked as "currently on a laptop so not cronned, should be
>    moved soon"

That is no excuse, since you kicked me out, and where very quick to throw
away the buildd i maintained, just to get ride of me, without having proper

Notice also that both you and Colin Watson, where donated pegasos machines,
(and guess who arranged that), so the unavailability of a decent build machine
is no excuse. At worse you could have used my buildd until a decent solution
was found, but no, it was more important to get ride of sven, than to care for
the powerpc users.

> b) The mips builds had been down longer until recently.
> c) The mipsel builds had been down nearly as long. And that machine
>    seems to be dead. Argh.

You didn't kick the mips/mipsel maintainers out of the d-i team though, so
your responsability is not engaged.

> d) The i386 floppy builds had been broken for longer until recently.
> e) The amd64 builds have been down just as long and still are.
> f) The arm CD builds have been broken for quite a while.

Same here.

> It wasn't very clear, to me at least, that anything was exceptionally
> wrong with the powerpc builds.

There is something exceptionally wrong, and this is the unprecedented fact
that you kicked the powerpc maintainer out of the project, with uther contempt
for all the work i did do in the past for this, promised you had found a
replacement, and that the port would be well taken care off, and failed in

> > I would have expected the maintainer or others privy to the situation
> > to have said something earlier, along the lines of:
> > 
> >   "Hey folks, we know the daily image is busted and we are
> >    working on it.  We'll let you know when it's fixed so
> >    don't bug us".
> We have an automated page to track the status of the builds so that we
> don't have to waste everyone's time doing that on a continual basis.

Yeah, but you are to chicken to take the next logical step, namely to have a
mailing list report scheme or something to make people aware of this who don't
necessarily have time to daily look at the build log web page. But then, i
suppose you prefer bugzilla over our BTS too.

This is just a bunch of excuses, you expulsed me, and then the build failed,
and it was gone almost 4 weeks without being fixed. You are fully responsible
for this failure, and should assume your responsability.

But then i know already that you are not going to assume it, and like always
just do on more round of sven-bashing, and hope everything will be fine.

Sven Luther

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