Re: buildd administration
Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> writes:
> Goswin von Brederlow <brederlo@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> writes:
>> Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> writes:
>
>>> C'mon, this is a free software project. The obvious first step for
>>> providing better infrastructure would be to make that infrastructure
>>> publically available for anyone to download, play with, hack on, or
>>> otherwise evaluate, whether the existing infrastructure component is
>>> similarly available or not. I'd think this would just be common sense.
>
>> You can test and play around with buildd.net all you want and easily see
>> "its superiority". You can also contact Ingo and ask him for the
>> scripts, as I have done, and you may recieve them. Something that I
>> found impossible for buildd.d.o.
>
>> Ingo is offering a service and paying for it. That he isn't throwing the
>> source at anyone casualy stumbling accross his site should hinder anyone
>> intrested.
>
> I wholeheartedly approve of the decision to decline to use the software of
> people with this attitude towards free software as part of the core Debian
> infrastructure. It's one thing to have the source diverge due to lack of
> time, but the above rings TONS of MAJOR warning bells for me. It sounds
> very much like the sort of conversation that I get into with vendors who
> are trying to say they do "open source" without actually doing anything of
> the sort.
>
> Much of what we do here is *exactly* about throwing the source at anyone
> casually stumbling across our site.
Ok, lets take an example: Where is the source thrown at you for
www.debian.org?
It isn't. You have to ask around, get to know or dig deep along the
links to find cvs.debian.org.
Ingo and I wanted to improve the (still non public) buildd.d.o scripts
and were rejected with "All the info is already there". That is why
buildd.net now runs the scripts. The warning bells ring with
buildd.d.o, not buildd.net.
And yes, the buildd.net scripts are now closed sourced if you
will. But the offer to open them up, to integrate them into and
improve buildd.d.o was made long before that and still stands.
MfG
Goswin
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