Josh Metzler wrote:
On Tuesday 09 August 2005 06:56 pm, Erik Steffl wrote:well, the fixes take forever to get to testingThat is because they need to go through testing and bug fixes in unstable.
well, what does it matter? The bugs take forevr to fix so testing is not really usable...
so while testing seems like a good idea in general it doesn't seem to be very appealing in its current incarnation... (I started to use testing but gave up)What you are asking for is to have experimental be what unstable is now, and unstable be what testing is now. If the gcc transition were going on in
no I don't.
experimental right now, rather than unstable, unstable would go without updates to gcc, X, etc. etc. for months, just as testing is right now.
which is not what I was pointining out in my mini-rant and I already explicitly stated that I don't see how to avoid problems during big upgrades like that. As long as it's announced and visible it's OK (after all that IS what unstable is for).
I think if you got what you are asking for, you would switch to using experimental.Like you, I enjoy using and testing the latest versions of everything, so I also run unstable on my desktop. But to do that, you need to be willing to suffer the occasional breakage and pay close attention to everything that is going on with Debian.
repeat: note that I am not complaining about c++ abi changes etc., that can't be avoided, I think. I was specifically talking about _unneccessary_ problems that get weeks to fix for unknown reasons like jackd bug #318098 (perhaps there is a good reason for it, don't know).
what I was suggesting is doing experiments in experimental, put release candidates into unstable, which is what seems to be current policy anyway.
I also wish the "it's unstable, deal with it" was banned because it's used as a blank excuse for number of otherwise inexcusable problems that can be easily avoided. That's why I'm trying to persuade people that unstable is the only viable alternative for number of desktop users (well,so far I have only proven that that number is at least one:-)
erik