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Re: Status of PHP5?

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:56:52 +0200, Martin Geisler wrote:

> Romain Francoise <rfrancoise@debian.org> writes:
>> Debian has more than 900 developers, a minimum amount of cooperation
>> is necessary...
> May I then ask why the maintainers of PHP4 hasn't joined the
> discussion?  I think it would be important that they explain their
> reasons for not having packaged PHP5 yet.

Probably because they were busy at conferences, or managing the sarge

> Adam Conrad wrote[1] in August 2004 that the PHP5 packages would be
> uploaded soon, but that they had taken a backseat to PHP4 packages and
> the Sarge release.

Yes, as Adam has repeatedly stated, he will work on php5 post-sarge. 
Considering the constant headaches that php4 provides, I can't blame him. 

> These are honest questions:
> * Do the PHP4 maintainers find PHP5 too buggy for inclusion in Debian?

Yes.  Hell, I consider php4 too buggy for Debian.  php5 is even worse. 
Have you seen the changelog[0]?  These are not minor little bugs that are
being fixed...

> * Do they lack the time to maintain PHP5?

I seriously doubt it, but why expend the extra effort when a) it's not
going to make it into sarge, b) the version of php that *will* be in sarge
could still use more attention, and c) early versions of php5 are expected
to be unstable.

> I can understand that they want things "done right", but please, six
> months is a long time.  An update on the situation would be very much
> appreciated.

The proper place for php5 right now (imo) is in experimental.  I don't
speak for any of the other php maintainers, of course; but personally if
feel it's a waste of time to deal w/ it right now, time that could be
better spent fixing other bugs in Debian.

[0] http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.0.4

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