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Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

On Wed, 2004-03-24 at 23:29, Gabe Stevens wrote:
> I found this thread in the Gentoo Forums :)
> I am a WindowsXP user who has long been interested in linux. Every
> year I’ll wipe my system and try a few linux distros. I always end up
> going back to Windows, because my video games never play quite right
> in linux, even with winex. The first distro that stayed on my system
> for more then a month was RedHat 7.2, I became frustrated with RPM’s
> and the inability to change my resolution / refresh without restarting
> X. After that was Suse 8.0 which was nice, but I found it hard to find
> help and too much documentation was shipped in German, of which I read
> very little.
> I’ve tried Debian several times and at first, never made it through
> the installer, later, got it installed but had trouble with apt-get,
> easier then rpms, but for a native windows user, no easier to solve.
> Even later (in college now) I had given away my original Debian CD’s
> and had to download new ISO’s, I found jigdo to be irritating and paid
> my roommate $5 to download them for me over a three day period. Using
> a download manager to just download the iso’s from an http or ftp
> would have been more convenient for me. I see that now there is a link
> to do just that, I honestly don’t remember whether it wasn’t there two
> years ago, or whether I just missed it then. At that point I really
> knew about nothing about anything that was not point and click,
> despite the number of forums, help pages, and textbooks I’d struggled
> through.
> Then my roommate challenged me to see who could get a Gentoo (1.2)
> installation up and running first. A light went on. There
> documentation was thorough and written in simple steps which a monkey
> could follow (apparently what I needed). I learned more on that
> weekend about linux and the computer in general then all the messing
> around I’d done before. In subsequent months by doing everything
> command line style, and most importantly editing configuration files I
> became passably fluent in linux in general. I stayed with Gentoo right
> up until kernel 2.6 was released when I moved back to XP to play
> FinalFantasy X, and Anarchy Online, neither of which I was smart
> enough to get running in Gentoo.
> By far my favorite feature of the Gentoo system is that their
> installer can run without putting my other desktop out of commission,
> either from Knoppix or from another distro with which I was
> comfortable. I don’t know if any other distros can be installed from
> within a running system, but I’d love to hear about it if they can be.
> Now I’m getting bored with my games and soon to be heading back to
> playing with linux, and perhaps I’ll give Debian another run, reading
> this thread has given me some incentive to try it again. But I’ll
> always like Gentoo because of what I learned using it, even if I
> choose another distro for my desktop.
> As an actual response to the thread, however…
> I would like to see some data backing up this move of Debian users to
> Gentoo. I agree with the general sentiment of the responses so far,
> Gentoo is simply the newest and coolest and whether it stays around or
> fades, it’s not really a threat to the Debian userbase. I rarely hear
> of people using Gentoo for a mission critical system, I often hear of
> people using Debian for mission critical machines, however.
> Sorry if this post annoyed anyone, I know Windows users views aren’t
> often appreciated in the linux world, but thanks for the time anyway.
> Gabe

Honestly, I think not.

This is just one of the choices, but here in Chile for example, most
linux users were using Slackware for a long time, and they changed to
Debian. Why? Because, after some time, you're tired of to fix the
security bugs by hand, upgrade you're system by hand too , and finally
you don't have time. Three lines in sources.list, and a script in cron,
will fix that. In resume, after some time you only want a system that
"it works" and with Debian, "it work"s, and "it works" well.

Windows users will be Windows users for ever. If they want to change to
Linux, they will have to adapt to (installers, handling of packages,
etc), and learn, because if you don't want to learn how a system works,
why do you want to use Linux?

Gentoo isn't a bad idea. And maybe you want to have your packages
compiled, your installation by hand, etc etc etc. but finally, you will
have to take muuuuuuuuuuuch time for this, or you will change to other
distribution, and all we know which is the best handling that.

Midway upon the journey of our life,
I found myself within a forest dark,
For the straightforward pathway had been lost.

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