Dalibor Topic wrote:
Humberto Massa wrote:Evan Prodromou wrote:Anyways, my stupid opinion on the subject is this: the time when non-free was necessary to have a working GNU/Linux system is long past. We don't have to make a deal with that devil any more.except, of course, if we want the big java things to work 100% ?!Then "you" [0] should want to help the free runtimes reach that 100%, by writing whatever is missing, testing, posting useful bugreports, writing documentation, you know the drill ;)
except if "we" want stuff to work "right now".
Seriously, if you want java applications to work on debian, why don't you join the Kaffe [1], gcj [2], or SableVM [3] developers to help "us" [4] make those big java things work 100% ? It's not so hard, and we're a friendly bunch to new contributors [5].You'll find developers from all those runtimes on #kaffe on irc.freenode.org [6] if you have particular needs that you want todiscuss. cheers, dalibor topic,[0] The people who want that [1] http://www.kaffe.org [2] http://gcc.gnu.org [3] http://www.sablevm.org [4] People trying to make people from [0] happy on a free as in DFSG platform. [5] Conditions Apply: all these efforts are clean-room efforts. That means no reading Sun's sources, no decompiling their classes, no NDAs preventing zou from contribution. Additional conditions may apply, depending on the project :) [6] When they are actually online, of course.
All that screaming and crying and screaching of teeth is not in vain. I will try to dedicate some of my scarce time to this Noble Cause (no irony intended). That's what I have been doing here at -devel and -legal. Dedicating some of my time to "embiggen" our Operating System.
-- br,M