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Re: Bug#224742: Related to this issue...

On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 11:34:37PM +0000, Henning Makholm wrote:
> Scripsit Steve Greenland <steveg@moregruel.net>
> > But that's basically what the constitution says: the maintainer of a
> > package has the biggest gun with regard to that package.
> Noone has ever contested that.
> The point of the thead is that the maintainer is *also* trying to have
> the biggest gun with respect to what others *think* about the package.
> That is fundamentally wrong.

Er, no, that's obviously not the case. Closed bugs remain publicly
archived forever, and nobody's stopping Enrico thinking (and indeed
saying, just elsewhere) whatever he likes.

I've been known to have a look through archived bugs when taking over a

> There is a "wontfix" tag for that. Rather, closing the wishlis itemt
> is a way of asking the submitter to acknowlege that his request was
> silly in the first place.

No, it's no such thing.

> Refusing to let the submitter *not* acknowledge this, under threat of
> BTS exclusion, is repression of the submitter's right to have his own
> thoughts about the issue.

Oh, stop exaggerating for goodness' sake. Lack of forced publication
does not imply censorship. (I note that Anthony's talk of exclusion
applies strictly and only to control@bugs, as far as I know; not that I
necessarily agree with his actions, but I'd rather stay out of that. If
you think that access to control@bugs is required in order to have your
own thoughts about an issue then I'm sorry to say that you're mad.)

It wouldn't be the first time that a submitter has disagreed with a bug
being closed, but sometimes disagreements just happen. Ultimately, a
maintainer's bug list belongs to the maintainer, subject to review by
the Technical Committee.

> > Repeatedly re-opening a bug because one disagrees with the response is
> > pretty much unacceptable,
> *Not* reopening would be an admission of having been wrong in filing
> the original request.

The submitter does not have to repeatedly reopen in order to make his
case. The appropriate recourse in cases of disagreement between
developers is the TC, not bug tennis.

> > There are superior ways to appeal a maintainer decision.
> The submitter did not wish to appeal - just to go on record as
> disagreeing.

And he has quite adequately done so, and could have done so simply by
sending more information to the bug report.

I think your talk of thought control is a gross overreaction.


Colin Watson                                  [cjwatson@flatline.org.uk]

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