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Re: Integrate Knoppix in Debian (was: Re: Debian Enterprise?)

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Andreas Tille wrote:
> You are describing a perfect world.  For sure I would prefer this as well.
> But I hate it if people tell me that building Knoppix from scratch is
> impossible because of some policy problems because I regard those problems
> as solvable ...

hum, II said that ? I said you would have to build it from scratch, in
order to comply with policy, I didn't say its impossible. In general
KNOPPIX is a hack, a working one, I have to admit.

It would be great if Debian could incorporate its hardware detection ...
but if so, then it should be the Debian way. This way standard
installation could profit from the autodetection too. All the other
startup tricks have to be looked at and incorporated into their
corresponding Debian package if they are better/easier to use.
(hotplug, pcmcia, automounts, etc. etc.)

The goal should be to improve Debian in general, not only to be able to
make a Live CD.

The rest is copying your favourite KDE or whatever setup, haveing proper
taks packages  and compressing the image.


>in the end if we would get a *working* solution in the first
> run.  The problem is that some configuration has to be "adapted" which
> could be solved by writing debconf patches for some packages if necessary.
> > Debix takes care of the live cd
> > stuff transparently. This also mean any debian user can just upgrade
> > his debian to a knoppix.
> Hmmm, I can't parse the sense of this.  IMHO Knoppix is just the live CD
> system.
> > If can't work with the policy but still want something in debian you
> > would have to make a package that can create a knoppix chroot,
> > i.e. package the scripts that transform a "normal" debian to
> > knoppix. But I strongly suggest building policy conform debs for
> > everything even if it means some things become slightly more
> > complex (or bend the policy).
> See above.
> > I suggest putting all the knoppix debs into task knoppix. That way
> > users can install debian and when task-sel pops up they select task
> > knoppix, wait some and then they have they fully featured knoppix on
> > the harddisk. Not as smooth as the live CD but still much easier than
> > configuring everything themself.
> This is the plan I introduece in my talk at LinuxDays Luxembourg and
> this is exactly the goal of the debian-knoppix project on Alioth
> even if it is only intended for the chroot system with the aim to
> build a Knoppix CD from it.  I can't see the advantage of a Knoppix
> system - it is just Debian (on a LiveCD with hardware detection).
> Kind regards
>          Andreas.
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