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Re: Debian conference in the US?

On 25 May 2003 12:20:45 +0200, Mathieu Roy <yeupou@gnu.org> said: 

> Mike Hommey <mh@glandium.org> a tapoté :
>> On Sunday 25 May 2003 07:27, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> > > Remember, the rest of the world does *not* owe you and yours a
>> > > living.
>> >
>> > 	Quite. But if they take delibrate action to hurt _any_
>> >  country, or its economy, they shall have to live with the
>> >  consequences.
>> And what is US trying to do to France, right at the moment ?

> I personally think that discussing about nations with Manoj here is
> a complete waste of time.

> He said that he would follow his leaders whatever they do, because
> they are american.

	This is a lie, really, and bordering on slander.

	I do not subscribeto "My nation, right or wrong". Indeeed, I
 lean democrat rather than republican, and I like Gore; I consider the
 election of the current president a disaster that the american people
 have to endure and survive. 

> Isn't it clear? He will hate someone that try to harm USA,

	Un;less your logic fails you, that is entirely different. The
 ends do not justify the means; and in any case if the means is
 punching me in the nose; you should expect vigorous defense. 

> without at any moment trying to guess why,

	You punch my nose, I am not going to pat you on the back
 because your cause is just.  I think most people like to hide behind
 the cloak that they are not punching people in the face, and they are
 hurting an amophous "economy". 

	Economies are made of the blood, sweat and tears of real live
 people, and they are the hooks on which dreams are hung.  When you
 set out to deliberately hurt an economy, you are hurting men, women,
 and children, that live and die in that economic system,

> and he will try to harm any other people is someone tell him that it
> helps USA.  His approach is completely nationalistic. You cannot
> understand him and agree with him until he drops this attitude or
> until you adopt it.

	Considering I am an Indian, this is getting hilarious; the US
 is merely my country of adoption.

	You are missing the point by a mile. This is not nationalism --
 this is merely protection of ones own -- you are asking for common
 cause in trying to hurt people I know and love; and I am rejecting
 this common cause vehemently. 

	Have you seen US developers try to raise common cause here to
 boycott French products and conferences in France (because of what
 some consider their silly stnace in removing a dictator from power)?
 No? How many of you would consider that unacceptable? Why is is it
 that is accetable to use this form as an attack platform against

> Free software is fascinating: so many people so different contribute
> to a same project... despite the fact that they think completely
> differently on other issues.



Katz' Law: Men and nations will act rationally when all other
possibilities have been exhausted.  History teaches us that men and
nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other
alternatives. Abba Eban
Manoj Srivastava   <srivasta@debian.org>  <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/>
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