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Re: Bug#189370: acknowledged by developer (irrelevant)

On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:40:16 +0900 (JST), Atsuhito Kohda <kohda@pm.tokushima-u.ac.jp> said: 

> From: Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@debian.org> Subject: Re:
> Bug#189370: acknowledged by developer (irrelevant) Date: Fri, 18 Apr
> 2003 12:21:27 -0500

>> > This doesn't work for texmf.cnf which also I told you once
>> > before.
>> And why does it not?
>> > If the default is to keep your current version then many TeX
>> > related packages should fail to install.
>> So? The user made the choice As long as you inform the suer of the
>> consequences of their action in the preinst, it is their machine,
>> they may choose to have tetex break until they decide to deal with
>> the issue, or they may decide to go with the new configuration
>> file. Either way, the decision is not yours t make. it is the end
>> users.

> Sorry to say but I should say that you don't have enough knowledge
> about TeX system.

	Ah, pissing contest. OK, I have been building TeX since 1989,
 when we used to buy tapes and compile TeX  on a dozen Unix systems at
 the university. This was before TeTeX, before Debian, and even Before
 Linux. So, I have 14 years of experience with TeX -- how much more do
 I need to have to reach the exalted levels of experience you have
 with the system?

> I suspect that you think that user's change beaks tetex but not so
> really.  And It is not simply "tetex break" but whole TeX system
> doen't work without new scheme.

	Fine. And the admin made the decision. You never, ever,
 pretend you know better than the local admin and blow away
 changes. If the system breaks, the admin did so with their decisions,
 and they can always change local configuration to make TeX work

> Without the current cheme all TeX system breaks so, in short, the
> new scheme is indispensable infrastructure for TeX system and there
> is no choice other than to accept to the new scheme.

	Rubbish. You could have let the old system remain, and posted
 a high priority note saying that replace the config files with
 *.dpkg-new or else TeX shall break. Let the human make the
 decision. With a manual merge, perhaps the admin would carry changes

> because FreeBSD doen't have our excent scheme.  Also I heard that
> RedHat9 provides pxdvi and pdvips commands which are definitely non
> standard names and this also shows that they can't provide an
> appropriate texmf.cnf although we Debian can do with the new scheme.

	Excellent? Dumping user changes is excellent? I think I would
 prefer a less gee-which flashy scheme that actually followed polciy.

> I'm afraid you can't understand the meaning which these examples
> showed but these are enough for people who knows TeX well.

	Bullshit. It is easy to call the other person in a discussion
 an idiot.

> Sorry again but you have not enough knowledge to say so.

	So, how long have you been using TeX? My first TeX document is
 time stamped Jun 13th, 1988.

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