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Re: Debian versioning scheme (r1 vs .1)

On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 07:15:19PM -0500, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Joel Baker <lucifer@lightbearer.com> [2002.11.04.1709 -0500]:
> > > Uh, you know that January is coming up and we are on a biannual
> > > schedule, right? Can we release in January, please?
> > 
> > *snort* *giggle* *breaks down in gales of laughter*
> > 
> > Biannual? By last report, it was more like bienneal, and not looking to
> > change any time in the forseeable future. If you want an actual release
> > schedule, Debian is far from the place to be looking.
> The thing about Debian is that it's what we make of it. Period. So if
> we want that, we can do it.

As I said in the part of the message you trimmed - getting sufficient
concensus to implement a GR saying that we want biannual releases is likely
to be nigh impossible.

And anything short of that won't fix it, because the only folks who have
control over it don't think it's broken.

> > Many people do not want to change "we'll release it when it's ready" to
> > "we'll release what is ready".
> Define 'ready'? 

Not my job. That's up to the RM. In fact, it's a large part of what the RM
does. For the current round of 'ready', see the last "Bits from the RM" on

> I am quite aware of the Debian philosophy, and it's the reason I am
> here and actively engaged with the project. But I don't see any reason
> why there can't be a freeze state of testing every couple of months,
> bugs worked away, and a new release put out. That's really what the
> three stage system is designed for.

I don't see any *fundamental* reason why we couldn't, either. If you read
the rest of the message, it should be clear, in fact, that I'd love to
see it happen. But the last estimate (which, as always, should never be
taken as gospel, and should probably be assumed to be conservative if past
history holds) was that 18 months *from now* could well be an *optomistic*

We have declared that we won't ever use the installer from Woody again,
among other things, with no replacement that is even to the "alpha-test
could-eat-your-system no-promises keep-both-pieces not really a release"
stage. Good or bad, it's the call of the current RM, and has been made.

> Whatever, flame to /dev/null please. I am just saying how Debian could
> be made better (and expressing my willingness to help, as always...)

Convince the RM, or get a GR passed. Write a good GR and it will have my
vote, but getting one that has any chance of success is beyond my current
level of political acumen.
Joel Baker                           System Administrator - lightbearer.com
lucifer@lightbearer.com              http://users.lightbearer.com/lucifer/

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