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Re: DAM approval wait time?

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:36, Andrew Lau wrote:
> On Oct 02, 2002 at 09:31:03 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > Some people are more important to the project than others.
> 	Perhaps some people have friends higher up in Debian? I have
> an ugly email address that marks me as untouchable for after having
> ever written something for Debian Planet? The universe loves screwing
> me over? Who knows? I haven't gotten a reason from anyone yet.

There is some difference of opinion on the issue of whether some developers 
are more important than others.

My opinion is that some developers are more important, and Andrew I regard you 
as being more important than most because of the committment you have shown 
to the project and the quality of your Debianplanet work.

However I don't think that less important people should have to wait excessive 
amounts of time or be excluded.  Even someone who maintains a single package 
can provide a benefit to the project as a whole if maintaining that package 
allows a developer who maintains many packages to be able to focus more on a 
smaller number of packages and do a better job!

One issue for some people taking a long time to go through the new maintainer 
could be that of proving their identity and intentions adequately.  So famous 
people get accepted faster, but this should apply to you!

> 	DAMnation is getting ridiculous. I've been in it for 10 months
> now and my patience has never been this tested in my life before. I'm
> starting to wonder why I should volunteer any more time or effort to a
> project that continues to ignore me and an IRC channel that loves to
> mock me relentlessly.

There are lots of lamers on IRC, don't  worry about them.

While at DebConf I logged into one of the Debian channels with my IRC client 
running as root:user_r:user_irc_t.  Some of the weenies chanted the mantra of 
"you have no security because you run IRC as root" and refused to listen to 
my explanations about NSA SE Linux solving that problem.

When I tried to explain it via a private message to one of the idiots (to 
avoid embarrasing them) their response was "I didn't give you permission to 
message me".

I should have logged that session.

> 	It's hard enough finding a purpose in life when you're
> clinically depressed, but it's worse when nothing at all is rewarding
> and just turns to shit. If someone in NM wants to expel me for this
> rant, then go ahead, but make it OFFICIAL so that I can actually give
> up on Debian and everything else with the full knowledge that no one
> gives a flying fuck about me anyway.

There are many things that can be done without being a developer.  Thomas 
Hood's work in sorting out old bug reports is one example.

Another thing you can do is maintain your own packages in your own apt 
repository.  People who want to use them can do so, and if they are found to 
be of good quality then it may help you become a developer sooner.

Finally there's heaps of work that can be done in woody back-ports of sarge 
software.  If you are interested in this then I suggest that you talk to 
Brian May, he is doing quite a bit of that at the moment and could probably 
use some assistance.  As this isn't on Debian servers developer status is not 

Another thing, if you want to do any SE Linux related work then let me know.  
There's lots of things that I'd like to do regarding SE Linux but can't due 
to lack of time.  Any help would be appreciated, and most of it is not on the 
main Debian servers so being a developer makes no difference.

http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/   My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages
http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/  Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark
http://www.coker.com.au/postal/    Postal SMTP/POP benchmark
http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/  My home page

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