On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:57:47PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> writes: > > >> until you try and learn and try again. The first glyphs you'll do (or > >> the first fonts, ftm) will be total crap. But you certainly won't > >> produce a fine font if you give up before trying. > > > > Fine, try it. > > I am trying, only with a music font, as a required side project for > LilyPond. I'll leave text fonts to people writing text based > applications, for now. > > > But that's not the sort of thing you need a project for, > how about just a package? I imagine that if there was a project for "free truetype fonts" people would be interested. There's definitely interest in freetype, but I think we should stop relying on proprietary truetype fonts that don't fit the social contract and don't make me feel warm and fuzzy. > FWIW, it has helped me a lot not doing this all by myself. If it > weren't for others in the project (encouraging, criticizing, fun) I'd > long given up. > > > and it's not the sort of thing you can rail against a bunch of software > > developers for not doing. > I'm not railing against anyone, just looking for some help on a big job. > Well, who else is there? Some software developers are rather clever, > critical and eager to learn. If you write a Free Software application yes they are. and hopefully some of them will want to help. and from what I understand, creating really high quality tt fonts means writing your own hinting instructions into the font. who better to do this than software developers? All we need is one person with a sense of design, and a few people to work out the technical details. So it seems that there are some gpl tt fonts here, http://www.gust.org.pl/fonty/index.html, as mentioned earlier in the thread, but I'm not sure because I can't read this page and babelfish doesn't do polish. Can someone confirm this? How about if I ITP something like free-truetype and include both these fonts, and the metatype fonts (there are two fonts they have that are tt and gpl, but they need some work on their hinting). Then as we find more, we can include them in the package. Also, the Bigelow and Holmes fonts in xfree86 have a clause in their license that they can't be modified, and I imagine that this is to preserve their artistic integrity. Maybe we can contact them (and consult debian-legal first) about adding a clause that they can be modified, but only if the name is changed, or only in a patch file. If they agree, we could add those to our growing list of free tt fonts. michael -- michael cardenas | lead software engineer | lindows.com | hyperpoem.net "Are you seeking to know what is wrong with the world? All the disasters that have wrecked your world, came from your leaders' attempt to avoid the fact that A is A." - Ayn Rand
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